Honestly seems like we are getting Twilight Fan Fiction. Yeah sure Kylo may have saved Rey when they took out Snoke but considering Kylo only did that for a power grab that doesn't scream redemption to me. Especially if Kylo wanted redemption all he has to do after killing Snoke is immediately change First Order Policies by freeing child soldiers, dismantling super weapons, etc. But they are the two main hetero white characters so of course they should bang. This type of romance plot only works if A) the bad boy isn't actually the monster everyone says he is or B) the character at least had a relationship in the past before one of turned into a monster. It does not work when said girl meets said guy after knowing he is monster and seeing him kill his father/her mentor in cold blood and almost kill her supposed Best Friend.
Honestly this all boils down to the problem with Rey Random. Ignore her unique raw force power. Rey has no connection to the plot if BB-8 didn't just will of the force its way right into her. She is not resistance/rebellion, she is not first order/empire, she is not related to anyone important or has any reason to care about getting involved in the plot except being Super Powerful in the Force for reasons. She is anchorless and totally unconnected her only connection is being the lead. Han is Dead. Luke is Dead and because of the sad passing of Fisher, she wont be around as Leia. So we have if the spoilers are true, the cast of Rey, Finn, Rose, Poe, Chewie, the Droids and maybe a few extras all fleeing on the Falcon with the rest of the Resistance Obliterated and Kylo ruling the galaxy. Now besides Rey who apparently has the hots for Kylo why would the rest of the characters with everyone they know dead give one **** about saving Kylo’s soul. It doesn't logically compute. Ergo the tension is massively undercut either Rey is the worst heroine I have ever seen where she is conflicted as the New Empire oppress the galaxy and picks off her supposed friends or she commits to killing Kylo pissed that he tricked her. Kylo v Rey is just not compelling like Vader v Luke or Kenobi v Anakin because their connection is finding each other attractive for like a week and being super special force unicorns.
Its like RJ basically ignored TFA for the most part and just used it as rough outlines for character backgrounds. But even saying that I could easily throw in a few retcons that give Rey Random a reason to care about Kylo beyond he is “hot“ and saved me once and I hate Reylo. Just have Rey be a fellow student at the Jedi Academy that Kylo was close to and thus when he turned couldn't bring himself to kill. So he paid some fake parents to dump her on a backwater and somehow wiped her memory or maybe she suffered some memory loss from injuries during the attack. It even fits in with TFA lines like “What Girl“ and “It is You“ that are unexplained. There still Rey Random and gave her a decent reason to care about Kylo and feel some conflict.
People who don’t get how Rey being the daughter of two junk dealers who abandoned her for money and who thus most likely won’t play any role in the future is unsatisfying writing haven’t understood a single thing about how you construct a plot. The way this was built up Rey random is only satisfying IF her parents are relevant to the plot, even as new characters. Otherwise there was literally no point keeping this a secret, bc it leaves us exactly with what we know from TFA. It adds nothing. Rey already saw herself as noone and figured out whoever left her on Jakku won’t be coming back. Furthermore: If you come up with the idea to construct a character with a unique raw Force power, and decide this character’s power will match the power of Darth Vader’s grandson, there must be a reason for it in the plot. You can’t just go “well, this is just how it is, it’s coincidence” This is unsatisfying and like someone didn’t even try. It’s lazy.
Yeah its gonna be great.
I mean it!!! My askbox is opened and I won’t spoil anyone else, I just really need to know what happens. PLEASEEEEE!
God They All Tried To Warn Us....LoL now we know the signs people so if we get more of this for IX we know what is coming
Lol there is no way KKK hires Taika Waititi. With the racist bs she let slide for this movie...there is no way those two are compatible at all. He be fired day one for not wanting to cast a British white brunette, make a white man the focus and denigrate men of color.
so are you gonna watch tlj? based on the reviews i've seen from some of my sources i'm bailing lol disappointed but not surprised
I’ve decided not to see it. I got an early viewer’s take on it and there is no way I’m supporting a movie that so badly sidelines a Black character who was clearly set up to be the protagonist in the first movie. Honestly I could cry right now, fuck me for thinking this franchise could refrain from blatant racism for two whole movies right? At least I can move on now and stop expecting that this trash fire franchise could turn itself around.
Perhaps Complex is the wrong word...its more Confusing.
But we have all read the Chinese Complaints and they are Cast isn't Hot Enough Compared To MCU, Fight Scenes Were Lame Compared to Wuxia and What You Get in Anime (High Standards for Sword Fights), Continuity Not User Friendly (They didn't get the old movies) and Plot was boring and confusing with the First Order not competent enough.
Short Answer: KK needs copy Feige’s Notes.
1) The First I am not really going to comment on if the actors are attractive enough too much but I would have to agree in general....Lupita you don't see and Oscar is the only one he pretty universally be considered super hot.
2) Hard to argue the fights aren't lame. Sorry Driver and Ridley just aren't that good and Boyega and Christie got nothing to work with since they got 30 seconds. The Force users didn't look Superhuman enough, I know they don't want to do Prequel twirling but times have changed and standards have gone up.
3) Hard to argue with this one but you cant really fix it super easily if you want to do Skywalker Saga Films this close to the OT.
4) The biggest sin is this...150 mins is long for an American Audience...its even worse for an audience who has to read subs. Beyond that it was boring for most of that time...reminds me of BvS too long without quality fight scenes.
The positive here is Disney cannot ignore RJ and KK failing to secure Chinese Box Office so even if the movie makes 1.3-1.4 Billion. This is a major strike that probably sinks RJ trilogy alone and weakens KK.
All the articles I've read on tlj underperforming in China bend over backwards trying to find an explanation that isn't "tlj sucks and Chinese people have standards". Like, they go 'Oh, Star Wars was never that big there! The OT never got a theatrical release!' but... tfa and ro both did, and got better results... if anything, tlj should have had more success, after them! They need better excuses (or to start MAYBE questioning why so many people didn't like it a bit more)
Also I’m sad about how articles even from usually good sites (eg Vox, which is the one I just read) pull the ‘fans just didn’t want complexity and new things!’ card while also criticizing Poe (“That f’ing guy”, “a 360-degree disaster”, blaming him for the near-destruction of the resistance…) and praising its feminist themes and how Poe should have listened to Holdo & Leia… (“Again and again, women try to set [Poe] straight, but he ignores or defies them”. UMM *white women) (½)
(2/2) … and just, completely missing the point! Like, in that article, Holdo & Leia creeping onto Poe is, apparently, “regarding Poe fondly” and Poe not facing the consequences. …I would also talk about Finn, but he was barely even mentioned (really goes to show how much he is the “male lead” under rian “kylo” johnson), and only in the context of “Finn and Rose […] played a direct role in the death of thousands of their fellow Rebels”. AND THE WRITER IS STILL NOT GETTING IT. smh …
These people are so far up Disney’s and Johnson’s asses that they can’t see or choose to ignore how awful and nonsensical the writing is, and how bad the movie is as a result. A 150 minute runtime for an action adventure flick is already quite a lot to ask of the audience, but to make it a rambling, meandering bore? Especially while opening in countries where you can’t rely on the SW brand to draw audiences? What level of entitlement does it take to think SW is owed viewers while putting out crappy and boring product, and that if people don’t see it in the projected numbers they’re in the wrong and don’t have the requisite intelligence to appreciate Johnson’s genius?
I’m also loving the way the white feminists are crawling out of the woodwork screaming about how revolutionary it is that white women are humiliating and brutalizing men of color in completely OOC and contrived scenarios. I see what their “feminism” is about and it ain’t pretty.
Why the fuck do they think this is a positive. These are trilogies not solo movies. Trilogies, how do you not make sure the movies properly connect. Wtf do KK and her merry band of “Story Group” actually fucking do.
that explains a lot tbh
RJ seems to have done whatever he wanted and ignored all hints for Finn and Rey. I think you covered Finn pretty well but I want expand on Rey.
1) She is inexplicably superpowered in the Force. No Skywalker Blood, No Palpatine Blood, No Kenobi Blood, No Immaculate Conception just two random parents. And she is this strong with one week max of training? Even Anakin couldn't beat Dooku with Kenobi and 10 years and he was the chosen one. I know some have defended her against Mary Sue but come on now...
2) Unkar just decides not to sell her? He was going to beat her up and steal BB-8 but wont cash in on a super strong Force Sensitive girl? Also how the frak do they know she has the Force this strong? Are midichlorians back? Did a knight of Ren drop by scan her and decide not to walk off with such a strong force user?
3) Rey has a random Force bond with Kylo, has the Skywalker lightsaber call to her, Dreams of the island Luke is on and outpulls said Skywalker lightsaber when fighting Kylo but has no connection to the Skywalker Family at all? And prior to TFA had never even met Kylo....how does that even make logical sense.
seguun replied to your post “Should’ve listened to you. But I wanted to believe thst I would get…”
The worse part about Finn and Rose stuff is I am willing to bet it gets played for laughs. Rose probably wont even say Sorry. Beyond that the lack of comments on Finn, Poe and Rose tell me there stuff will be boring or limited or both. And the Reylo stuff seems somewhat legit since this is clearly the Kylo and Luke show. Reylo stuff means Rey is a Rando or Kenobi at best. So all in all I doubt I enjoy this. The only positive Finn stuff is he takes out Phasma..
Luke is the weirdest one though since no one seems to agree across all spoilers seems to agree with what goes down at the end. Force Ghost, Force Projection, Clone, Dead, Alive some combination who knows. But based on Mark’s comments, I doubt it end great for him. Snoke is a nobody probably. But consider me extra salty if Rey really is a Rando and all the Force Users are White in this one just because RJ, KK and LF decided to keep the Force White and the POC in the B-Plot
Yes, I am sure it will be played for laughs and a “meet cute” - it’s really sitcom. Beyond the awfulness of what’s done to Finn’s character AGAIN which others have explained far better than I have - ffs he just got out of a coma and she zaps him to unconsciousness? It’s like knocking Han out after he was unfrozen in Jedi. Finn’s been through an unbelievable trauma, he’s off to find the one person he knows and cares about - and this new character I’m supposed to like comes and shocks him? It’s tone deaf on so many levels I can’t even believe someone decided this was a good idea (and what, the Resistance allows fellow soldiers to just attack people leaving? Really?)
And the Poe stuff with Leia - I’m sorry, what? Leia is telling someone they’re being too reckless? Has she forgotten who her brother and husband are again? Or her own self?
Why haven’t we gotten much on Canto Bright - it’s supposed to be a big piece, right?
I can’t even comment on the Rey Rando stuff, it is too crappy for words (and I was for Rey Random - but not that awful story about her parents). Why go to the trouble of casting Daisy, who looks more like she’s the child of Harrison and Carrie or Mark and SkyMom than Adam Driver does - and then not make her related. If she’s a random, then why?
The Luke stuff is just awful, every bit I’ve seen is worse than the last. The visual dictionary saying he didn’t know about Han dying, him throwing the saber, the milk with the sloth (OMG, that sounds bad), refusing to train Rey, and on and on. Then how he’s supposed to die…and that he never sees Leia again? That proves that these directors don’t give one shit about the characters that aren’t Rey and Kylo.
Because, yes, let’s mention the whole bait and switch with Finn. Because we can argue about the screams on Takodano, because that is just badly put together. We can argue about who’s awakening, although it sure as hell looks like Finn.
But you cannot explain Maz giving Finn Luke’s saber when Han is STANDING RIGHT THERE and has a stronger claim to it by marriage. UNLESS FINN IS FORCE SENSITIVE. You just can’t - unless it’s just simply “well, we need to get the saber to the end of the movie so…congrats, Finn! But it doesn’t mean anything.”
All must be sacrificed for Kylo Ren.
tlj is nothing short of character assassination for almost every single character.
Got to love RJ we meet three orphans being exploited in Canto Bight with similar backstories to Finn want to guess who RJ decides to give the Force out of a White Girl, A White Boy and A Black Boy? The white boy of course as one last fuck you to Finn Fans. Good Old Broom Boy gets the Force but not a fucking lead nah Finn doesn't get shit. Some minor insignificant character is gets to move a broom with no training so really RJ gives Finn fans absolutely nothing of they want and rubs their faces in the dirt about it.
RJ: KEEP THE FORCE WHITE
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“Anonymous” hacker who outted the students of the Steubenville Rape Trials. He is now being punished for bringing the young girl justice. The FBI showed up to his house with assault rifles and made him and his family get on the ground and took possession of his computer and is now pressing charges. THEY’RE PRESSING CHARGES BECAUSE HE ‘HACKED’ an account to save a girls life. Also involved in Westboro church hacking.
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